If Kyrie can't lead a team because of his win-loss record in first few years, then neither can KAT, AD, Durant, Curry, Wall (self.nba)
We can also look at other player's in their first two seasons who had "bad records" but people would consider them franchise players. And these guys had significantly better rosters than what Kyrie had to work with too. The 2nd best player on the Cavs in Kyrie's rookie season was 35 year-old Antawn Jamison and in his soph year, it was rookie Dion Waiters. When Kyrie was finally moderately healthy, playing 71 games in his third year, the Cavs went 33-49 with the some actual help in TT and Luol Deng(who was only there half the season). 33 wins isn't great, but it improved every year and was getting there to making playoff level.
And why do people ignore Kyrie was injured 25% of the season in his first two seasons when bringing up Cleveland's record?
Also his rookie season in 11-12 was the lockout year where they only played 66 regular season games. Comparing the wins in that season to an 82-game season doesn't make sense.
Anthony Davis: 27-55(Eric Gordon/Ryno/Vasquez), 34-48(added Jrue/Tyreke)
KAT: 29-53(Wiggins/Rubio/Lavine), 31-51
Durant: 20-62, 23-59(Westbrook/Jeff Green)
Curry: 26-56(Monta/Maggette), 36-46(Monta/David Lee)
Wall: 23-59(Arenas/Swaggy/Blatche)汪念杰, 20-46
[–]TimberwolvesConvulsed 54 指標 16小時前*
All these players played in the West besides Wall who had scrubs from off the street on his team.
To be fair, Kyrie had no one either.
[–]Bullsdeadassynwa 934 指標 16小時前
I guess we'll find out.
That's why he wants to leave.
[–][GSW] Andre IgoudalazzMojaveExpress 258 指標 15小時前*
It's not just about his record, it's about his game. We don't know if he can do anything except score because that's all he's done so far.
Davis: Score, rebound, defend
KAT: Score, rebound,陈荣竣 be a stretch 5
Durant: Score, be really tall (later developed defense)
Curry: Score (and was an all-time great 3pt shooter even as a rook), pass
Wall: Facilitate, score, defend
Kyrie has the potential to do it but it's worrisome that he put up 27.2 FGA/36 with LeBron off the floor. He's not setting his teammates up. Why恐龙侵袭 ? He's got Kevin Love. He's got JR and Korver. But his USG% is higher than '06 Kobe.
As the focal point you've got to facilitate昆仑镜之忆, or make up for it in another way, like being an elite defender.
[–]WarriorsSgtDowns 32 指標 10小時前
Seriously people are being so arrogant and stupid about it. Just look at Kyrie with Lebron off the floor. It's more than enough to say Kyrie at his current point is not ready to be a primary option.
[–]squatcat 9 指標 10小時前
You all must have forgot that, for all of his career, Kobe drew double and triple teams. You just can't compare him with Kyrie.
[–][MIN] Andrew Wigginsstdebo 106 指標 13小時前
Yeah except Kobe was a better scorer as well.
[–][WAS] John WallKingRikaru 228 指標 16小時前
Dude is basically an undersized SG who is a low effort defender and doesn't make anyone around him better. The argument about Kyrie's early years is overblown, but I'm still taking all the guys you listed over him.
欧文这个家伙基本上就是一个身材不足的得分后卫曹佑宁 ，一名低效的防守者，而且并没有使他周围的人变得更好王梓清。关于欧文早些年的一些争论有些言过其实了，但是我仍然要把楼主列出来的球星都排在他之上尾兽数数歌 。
[–]Lakersi_am_penis 153 指標 13小時前
You're using Kyrie's 3rd season at age 21 but only counting the first two for everyone else?
What the hell man. In their 3rd seasons at age 21:
Durant lead the league in scoring and took OKC to 50 wins.
Davis lead the league in blocks and got 45 wins.
Those guys are obviously generational talents but still you're reaching here. KAT is hasn't even had a 3rd season, and Curry stayed much longer in college and was often injured闽南话教程 , so Wall is the only comparison that makes sense.
[–]RaptorsAhmedF 62 指標 11小時前
Yup - talk about cherrypicking.
[–][SEA] Kevin DurantSytherus 21 指標 11小時前
KAT is probably gonna do it in his 3rd season. Curry & Wall both missed 30+ games in season 3.
The 3rd season is the best one to judge by too. Deliberately excluding the best data we have.
[–]Wizards Bandwagonlivefreeordont 77 指標 13小時前
John Wall's supporting cast was Kirkmc天津饭 , Yi, Baltche, Javale, Swaggy P, and Jordan Crawford. I don't know how that isn't the worst team ever assembled
[–]HeatAnCo17 335 指標 16小時前
The main criticism on Kyrie is that he's not really a team player. Most of his scoring is iso. In the 2000s defensive dominated NBA, it might have been fine just to have one offensive star, but in an era where offense matters more than ever万能合成 , I don't think Kyrie is a suitable number one option for a team. I think he doesn't get his teammates involved as much as he should. Maybe that'll change after he and LeBron separate, but from what I saw the last few years in Cleveland I don't really think he's meant to lead a team in the modern day NBA.
[–]TimberwolvesTherealzdaddy 67 指標 16小時前
I agree, I have been getting flak on the timmy sub about trade rumors for saying he's an incredible talent however I would rather develop a ball movement system in minny rather than ISO. I don't think he's very well equipped to orchestrate an offense. Well equipped however to get his own buckets.
[–]Rocketsrtyuuytr 102 指標 16小時前
Wiggins is the definition of tunnel vision. 29th in assist rate among starting SF last year...
[–]Bullsdeadassynwa 77 指標 16小時前
Wiggins is just as bad on defense, worse at playmaking and isnt the scorer that Kyrie is
[–]Lakers BandwagonLiaM_CS 51 指標 15小時前
Wiggins is younger and has a much much higher ceiling though.
[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesleeban17 33 指標 15小時前
I don't think he has a higher ceiling than kyrie. Kyrie 8s way too skilled and lacks effort on d. Has the tools. If kyrie can get out of tunnel vision and facilitate he can be a top 5 player
我认为维金斯的上限并不比欧文高大川隆法 。欧文的技巧更加熟练，只是在防守端缺少努力。他有足够的得分工具源本平凡 ，如果欧文能够摆脱“视野狭窄”的问题，为队友创造更多的机会，他能成为前五的球员。
[–]Hawksjhammer19 9 指標 14小時前
so your saying he could become james harden if he passes more?
[–]Bullshayabusa- 167 指標 16小時前
Wall, Durant, and Curry have proven themselves a hundred times over.
AD got one of the most injured rosters in the league to the playoffs in one of the toughest playoff races in recent memory.
KAT may not have done shit yet but he's already better than Kyrie.
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